Hey - Is anyone out there? by Leah Cauthron: Comments
| 07/05/2010 01:25 PM |
| By read me, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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The way our grandparents would have handled this is to put on their big boy&girl panties, throw on their boots, and go to where the problem is, and SOLVE the problem. Lots of blaming going on here for what was an accident. What good does it do to blame after the fact? I understand that there is a law that prohibits foreign countries from having their vessels help with the cleanup. I'm not so sure I want another country bringing a trojan horse to this mess. If the US is not capable of fixing this mess, then we had best fix the US.
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| 06/17/2010 01:01 PM |
| By jusamom, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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I have to laugh at your 'Think about how your grandparents would have dealt with this' comment. My grandparents wouldn't have to deal with this because there wasn't the need for oil like there is now. My grandfather made his living at farming and livestock. They would get through it but then again they wouldn't have the expenses everyone nowadays do. Farmers didn't have a back up because big corporations weren't around to run the local farmer out of business like they do now. Family run businesses (such as some of these fishermen)shouldn't have to suffer to corporate America. As for Obama not digging them out of this mess, about darn time the government steps out and lets them deal with their own mistakes. We have to start doing to these companies what we do to our children. Let them learn the hard way and be held responsible for their own mess up!
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| 06/17/2010 11:18 AM |
| By DOWNWITHDEMS, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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Life happens. Is it right that if you die in an airplane your family can only collect $250,000, but if make 20k a year and a doctor screws up you can collect millions? BP should have to pay to clean up and help offset some losses for these industries. At some point BP's liability does need to be capped. They can't be expected to offset a fishermans salary 10 years from now if the fishing doesn't return. A couple of years of wages up front gives these people an opportunity to change gears if they have to. It is like helping the little family farmer stay in business because it has been in the family for 100 years, that doesn't play a role. If you are unable to be self supportive in a profession, time to find a new one. I would love my profession to be playing baseball, I would love to do that everyday. I could do it everyday, but I couldn't feed my family or myself. Should someone else fund my life. I understand that it is not the fishermans fault, but helping the fisherman for lets say 5 years is all that should be required. If they haven't been able to transition by then, they aren't trying. Maybe they don't want to transition, I guess try to make a living at it then. If the fish don't come back, that is a risk you take.
BP should make this right, and they will. However they should not have to fund all these peoples lives forever. They should not be the new welfare department. At some point in time people should be expected to stand on their own again, maybe in a new profession or a new location. That is life. Think about how your grandparents would have dealt with this. They would have been lucky to get anything, been grateful for what they got, and got on with there life however they had to. They were the type of people would should all aspire to be, not the whining, crying, babies that sue because we spill hot coffee on ourselves.
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| 06/17/2010 09:27 AM |
| By Steelerfan100, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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Just wanted to note (paraphrased from news I watched last week) that one reason many of the drilling operations have moved out to deep water in International waters is because in 1995 (Clinton was in office for those keeping score)legislation passed that lifted regulations and taxes in the deeper waters farther out. The US didn't want to regulate the water farther out anymore. So many oil companies moved out to these new areas to make more money, find more oil, and not be regulated by the US. It was suppose to be a 5 year change and in 2000 it was reapproved and and left taht way since. So blameing any one administration is difficult when many regulations are signed then reapproved across other admins.
I hadto laugh at David Letterman. He said something about the President's speech being on then he paused &stated glad we could put this fiasco behind us now. I feel that way sometimes when they get up and talk.
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| 06/17/2010 09:08 AM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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DWD, I have been very interested in your comments on this thread and agree in large part. What I worry about is what about all the people who depended upon the Gulf for their livelihood -- fishermen, etc.? They had no control over this. Do they deserve to have their livelihoods wiped out? I don't think paying for damage up to a cap of $20 or $50 billion is going to deter BP from playing fast and loose with safety standards, and I do not believe that amount of money will restore all the people in fishing, tourism and other coastal industries who will suffer.
What do you think should be done to make those people whole, who are suffering financially because of this through absolutely no fault of their own?
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| 06/16/2010 10:25 PM |
| By DOWNWITHDEMS, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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You can have all the technology, all the planning and disasters still will happen. In fact when they happen they are usually worse because you think you have prevented anything from happening. In actuality we being human can only account for a few problems that have not occurred in the past. You can't prevent everything. People are going to die, bad things are going to happen. At this point it doesn't even matter why or how? We just need to fix it. We may or may not have a clue how to do it. We just have to act on our best guess and work together to fix it. When it is over then we can analyze to why and the how. Don't waste our time pointing fingers at CEOs. They didn't inspect they platform and give themselves a safety award that was the government. It wasn't our idiot in command that inspected it, but it was him preventing some early efforts to deal with the problem.
It is BP's fault that this happened, I don't think they ever denied it. Accidents happen, it wasn't intentional, that is why it is called an accident. They should and will pay for the damage, so why the outrage with them. Where is the outrage at all the people in this country who don't take responsibility. We bail those people out. BP is going to pay for this, like they should. You should applaud that kind of responsibility. Short term this will have an impact, 100 years from now it will be like this never happened.
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| 06/16/2010 05:45 PM |
| By jusamom, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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The problems I see with this is the safety standards of BP are (on record) very low and all they get is a fine and on their way they go. Maybe laws need to change and they have to shut down ALL production until said safety breach is fixed. THEN maybe BP would take their production procedures a little more seriously. This is a very horrible tragedy that no one will ever take the blame for so why not quit pointing fingers and group together to save who/what we can while we can still do so. I suggest those that have a problem with BP boycott their products, volunteer your vacation to the Gulf and help with whatever you can and pray for a faster recovery.
This is what happens when greed overcomes common sense and safety. In this business it should be practice to double check your I's are dotted and your T's are crossed.
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| 06/16/2010 11:58 AM |
| By Leah Cauthron, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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jlee...gotta say thanks. That was probably the best comment yet. I just can't believe with all the technology in this world that they can't figure out how to prevent something of this nature. It truly is sickening.
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| 06/16/2010 11:48 AM |
| By jlees, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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It's not really President Obama's or Bush's or the Repulican's or Democrat's fault-it's the lobbyists and bureaucrats in the Federal mineral agency (or whatever that little known entity is called) that were taking bribes in exchange for the companies to "self-regulate." It's not always a bad thing for companies to do this, but there should also be second-checks, which for here there were none, simply because the regulators were too busy taking cash and other bribes in exchange for basically not doing their jobs. Having BP (or whoever) fill out regulatory reports in pencil so the regulators could copy over it in pen, things of that nature. It has nothing to do with Republicans favoring things like cutting out unncecessary regulations from business or Democrats not responding soon enough to this disaster.
BP should be allowed to drill there because 1. It's international waters where the drilling is being done, and 2. they sell the greatest majority of that oil to the United States at the same price any of our oil companies would. It really makes no difference. In all likelihood, were it not BP, it would have been Exxon or Chevron or anyone else. The who and where they're based are all but entirely arbitrary points, and unimportant except in order to know who needs to organize and pay for the cleanup.
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| 06/16/2010 10:56 AM |
| By woken_up, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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50+ days and hadn't talked to a BP CEO!!! That's totally inexcusable. Dem s, Reps, and independents should me mad as H@## let alone the states this is affecting.
You can white-wash this all you want to but the bottom line is this Administration has failed to address the oil that is spilling into the ocean (not Oil Spill). All I here from them is talk with no action or plan.
THE BLAME GAME is always being played to cover up there ability to get the job done.
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| 06/16/2010 06:43 AM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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I have questions about why Obama is not accepting help from other nations (Britain for example, who has many interests in the Gulf of Mexico/Caribbean) and why other companies are not being held responsible. Other companies? Sure. Like Halliburton! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/30...
If there was any chance their cement work was faulty (and let's face it -- how could there not be) why aren't they involved in the cleanup, or, if they have fewer resources for that, why could they not get involved right now with a bail-out of fishermen and others who depend on the Gulf for their livelihoods?
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| 06/15/2010 11:47 PM |
| By NWIA Granny, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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Same old stuff, blame President Obama and not ask what you can do to help with the problem? All I am reading are tired, old talking points from conservative people who did not vote for President Obama, don't think that the government should tell anyone what to do, but want the government to fix the problem. Hypocrisy much? If you want the government to fix it, then the government has to be able to regulate it and the conservative representatives in Congress, both Representatives, Senators and Presidents have done every thing they can to stop any regulation of any of the issues that we as a country are now dealing with. I haven't heard one idea of how individuals can help with the problems from this disaster. One easy way is to do everything you can to cut down on your energy use. Call your representatives in Congress, both houses and tell them to get on the stick to get some alternative energy sources going in this country. There are lots of ideas out there, from the engines being produced in Algona that run on ammonia, to the windmills that can make the ammonia for the engines to run, besides having leftover energy to sell to energy companies or use for the producers needs. If you need more information on this and many more ideas, just look at Francis Thicke's website, he is running for Secretary of Agriculture for the Sate of Iowa and he is looking for and finding ideas right here in Iowa to help get our farmers and other population away from being so dependent on oil products. The point is that there are alternatives to foreign oil, they are available right here in our state, and we need to be supporting these local companies and solutions for the future.
To spend our time beating on politicians and the President is a waste of time and energy that would be better used to look for the solutions I have talked about, and the many more I am sure are out there.
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| 06/15/2010 10:23 PM |
| By DOWNWITHDEMS, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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It isn't the republicans that have us drilling oil in the middle of nowhere, it is the hippie commie scum. If we would have been drilling oil in 300 ft of water, which there is plenty there, we wouldn't have this problem. We would also have cheaper fuel. It wouldn't matter if the government agencies had 20 times the man power and money, they still couldn't solve or prevent a problem. They are the problem. If you don't believe me lets look at Enron, Worldcom, Bernie, Freddie, Fannie, AIG...What were government employees doing? Looking at porn. What were they doing when they were inspecting the rigs, looking at porn. Don't blame Bush or Clinton for this they are long gone. Obama could have changed this he had time and complete power, he didn't see a need. Obama has been slow on the draw, like always. He didn't create this disaster, but he sure hasn't help fix it. Nobody wanted this to happen, and nobody is glad that it did. Quit getting mad a BP, if you think they don't want to fix this you are nuts. We don't need our Commander in thief out there talking about kicking butts. We need him to try to solve the problem. However when you elect a man no experience in leadership this is to be expected. Grow up Obama, you can't blame anyone but yourself for your incompetence here.
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| 06/15/2010 07:01 PM |
| By SSGM270, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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Right now I think our esteemed President is using his being black as an excuse. I've been hearing rumblings about his complaining that he can't get to angry because America is afraid of an angry black man! I've heard it all now....America is afraid of an angry black man?!?!?!? That is almost as absurd as the loony left painting everone who voted against him as a racist!!! Don't even try and refute that one Dems, cuz I heard it myself on The Clinton News Network and other like news outlets. I am one Conservative who wants to see him get really but kicking MAD at BP for draging their buts on this. Don't even get me started on the Presidents own lethargy in responding to the growing oil spill. Grow a pair! Don't accept flimsey excuses and quick fixes.
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| 06/15/2010 06:36 PM |
| By NWIA Granny, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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Why did all the problems with the oil in the Gulf happen? Let's see, shall we start with the Republican Congress that has consistently sided with big business, whether it is oil companies or Wall Street, or the gutting of the regulations for both of Wall Street and oil companies? The Republicans have always thought that the big companies would do the "right" thing and regulate themselves. Well, we can see how that worked out. If the Republican Congress and President Clinton had not repealed the Glass-Steagal Act, the financial disaster of the last several years may not have happened. If President Bush had not gutted the agencies of any means to enforce the rules that where in place, perhaps the oil disaster(I refuse to call it a spill, a spill is a known quantity, this isn't) would not have happened. People who try to put all the blame for this unfortunate situation in the Gulf on to President Obama, haven't been paying attention. He has been on this since the first day. I don't know what else these people expect him to do, unless they want him to go out in the water and use his "super" powers to plug the hole. He has been working with every expert, from anywhere they can be found, whether in private or public life to try to find a solution. Instead of talking about what President Obama is not doing, why don't we talk about what we can do to help the people and wildlife in the areas affected? It is much easier to point to President Obama and say that he is not doing every thing that can be done, than to look to ourselves and say what can I do to help.
Think about it.
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| 06/15/2010 02:12 PM |
| By DOWNWITHDEMS, re: Another disaster and lots of unanswered questions. |
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Why do we not drill for oil in shallow water? Why are we not tapping onshore resources? There were emergency procedures for this, but they didn't work. There are ways to deal with this, but our government is not allowing it. If we drilled in shallow water this would have been fixed in a day. If we drilled on shore better yet. The reason we drill out there is the same reason Ted Kennedy(who wanted alternative energy) stopped the wind farm from being built in his back yard. Understand that you can't have everything. You can't be an economic super power without fossil fuels. You can't get fossil fuels without risk. If you want to have a scenic view you can't have oil rigs close to shore. If oil rigs are further out to sea you give up safety and security.
In most cases people who make the rules have no clue about the job or situation in which they are making rules. They live a land called Theory, which is often times in another universe than reality.
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| 05/27/2010 01:30 AM |
| By brian48, re: It's not snitching |
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You go ahead and call it "snitching". Because if saving someone i love makes me a snitch, then i will carry the label.
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| 05/26/2010 11:49 PM |
| By notinia, re: It's not snitching |
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Yes, buss22, you are correct about the munchies factor (although whether or not its a placebo effect isn't certain). However, the original post wasn't referring to pot and how its related to anorexia. Leah brought it up as a completely different situation where you might have to "snitch". Completely different factors, completely different situations.
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| 05/26/2010 09:19 PM |
| By buss22, re: It's not snitching |
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First off no need to be rude. I'm stateing a fact. And I also said that there are many factors that go into the situation. I say something about weed and I'm told its the dumbest thing come on that's uncalled for. I like how you people like to tear apart others comments but don't look at what you say. Think about what you say before you try to tear apart a persons comment.
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| 05/26/2010 11:48 AM |
| By WorkingMom1, re: It's not snitching |
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buss22 that has GOT to be the dumbest thing I've ever read!! Reread the original post. She is saying no matter what the situation, there are somethings that need attention...even if it means snitching on someone!
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| 05/26/2010 11:20 AM |
| By buss22, re: It's not snitching |
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This is a bad thing to happen to a person of that age. Yes there are many factord that play in this event. I would say that the main one is the image that is put out there by the media. But to say that smoking pot is one is not true. Smoking pot makes you want to eat. That's why its called the munchies after smoking it.
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| 05/26/2010 09:03 AM |
| By outbackred, re: It's not snitching |
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When I was in 8th grade one of my best friends stopped eating school lunch and started talking about how fat she thought she was. This went on for about a month and I would go home every night thinking about it and knowing I had to do something. Finally, one day I went and told the guidance counselor about everything. My friend was so mad at me for a while. We grew apart and then ended up being part of the same group of friends again later in high school. At her graduation party she pulled me aside and thanked me for saving her life. I was only doing what I knew was right. She knew it would have ended badly and now she is so thankful for me getting her the help she needed. It's always worth it if you have a suspicion.
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| 05/26/2010 08:08 AM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: It's not snitching |
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Leah, I saw that, too, and talked to my lean, 14 year old daughter who just doesn't like to eat (never has) about nourishing her body, images of movie stars, etc. in the media, and about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-ana I'm thinking that in many cases, anorexia is not seen as a sickness of distorted body image and quest for perfection; it's gained some normalcy. This may be a whole other blog, but it's a reality, and it's beyond not snitching -- there are girls (mostly) and young women out there SUPPORTING each other's quests to be impossibly thin, to eat as little as possible, to circumvent the critical eye of parents and others, to make it seem like they're eating and like they've not lost as much weight as they have.
I don't know if Krista was involved with these pro-ana sites, but it is very sad that so many hurting kids can hide in plain sight.
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| 05/23/2010 05:47 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Daycare 101 |
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I can say this blog is a bit misleading. After meeting with Leah today, I'm super impressed with the flexibility factor. For the set up for kids she has, and the devotion she has into their day, a paid holiday here and there are well deserved.
Looking forward to it Leah, and my Daughter is super excited. Hopefully the razzing over politics can be put aside, as politics are bound to cause debate. :)
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| 05/21/2010 08:00 AM |
| By cycloneluvr, re: Daycare 101 |
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There is no $ that you can put on your children or their care. It's a "to each their own" decision for the type of daycare you use and I for one am thankful for all those out there providing exceptional daycare. It puts my mind at ease when I work during the day to not have to worry about my daughter. She is happy & well-cared for and that is really all that matters.
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| 05/18/2010 09:15 PM |
| By jusamom, re: Daycare 101 |
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This blog is the main reason I stay home and raise my own children. I have known registered providers that have made terrible mistakes and had numerous 'accidents' with their daycare children. NO amount of money is worth risking my children's safety. I have watched registered providers leave their children in a car unattended, watch as they let the children near a busy street unattended and the such. I have also seen unregistered daycare providers who get paid minimal that do a tremendous job with their children! So, all in all, I am not willing to risk who is good and who is a devil in disguise. Just because they are registered does NOT make then qualified. It just shows they put in the time to get that title.
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| 05/18/2010 08:16 AM |
| By notinia, re: Daycare 101 |
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Leah, in my experience, you don't need to pay a Tiffany's price for a provider worth his/her weight in gold. Less expense does not always mean lower quality.
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| 05/18/2010 08:12 AM |
| By Leah Cauthron, re: Daycare 101 |
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First of all, this blog is not about MY daycare. It is about choosing daycare for the right reasons first. I have amazing daycare parents and literally, zero turnover. I have many sibling families. I am flexible with them and they are with me. It is born of mutual respect. I never said being unregistered meant being unqualified. I have many issues with the rules that the state requires of us as it seems they are trying to make it more and more difficult to be an in home provider. It's the whole cradle to grave mentality. Being registered just works for me.
I apologize for insinuating choosing a less expensive daycare meant that parents don't love their children. When I had my own children in daycare we chose to forgo new vehicles, a bigger house, new furniture, TV's, cell phones and cable TV in order to choose a more qualified provider who knew her worth. Therein lies my point, your provider is worth your money as long as she is taking care of your child in the manner that you wish her to. If she asks for you to sign a contract and pay for the daycare premium don't begrudge her that. Simply put, don't ask for a Tiffany's provider at a Wal-Mart price.
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| 05/18/2010 06:28 AM |
| By WorkingMom1, re: Daycare 101 |
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Amy--Just to clarify I would agree with you on the other requirements!! I love that I can get all of the positives of being with a registered provider and none of the negatives!! Our provider is CPR and first aid certified, she has taken the mandatory reporter classes through the state. She has everything to get registered, but has chosen not to be certified on purpose!
What a horrific experience you had with your nanny!! I don't even know what I would've done in that situation!! Thank God you all came out of it unscathed!
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| 05/18/2010 04:15 AM |
| By notinia, re: Daycare 101 |
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I agree with the sentiment of your post, Leah- children are important- but your requirements for daycare would not work for our family. I work in an elementary school, so I don't require daycare 2 1/2 months out of the year, and I certainly wouldn't pay money allotted out of a paycheck I am not bringing in for those months for childcare I'm not using.
I think the comparison to insurance or a mortgage is faulty as well. Daycare, like private schools or colleges, is a service we choose to use. Yes, you want to get the best possible results from that service, but sometimes its all about the name. I believe that my education at the University of Iowa was wonderful, and I certainly wouldn't have paid more for the more prestigious name of Northwestern to be stamped on my diploma for the same education. Sometimes, you pay for the name or the appearance. Our military-run daycare, while it has its faults, has some very good caretakers that I would not be willing to part with.
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| 05/17/2010 04:37 PM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Daycare 101 |
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My esteemed friend WorkingMom1 says: I also have to state that when I was choosing daycare for my children, I specifically looked for an individual that was NOT state certified. That is where I start to part ways. While I have not seen state certification as the major factor in a child care decision, I do like that they are mandatory reporters, have child and infant CPR training, and meet certain safety standards. Other providers, of course might meet and exceed those standards on their own, so I'm not saying only state-certified providers meet that standard. If you do not have a state certified child care provider, and possibly even if you do, I would strongly suggest a criminal background check -- nationwide if possible. In 2003 I placed an ad for a provider to come to my home. My husband left early for remodeling jobs. I had to leave around 8 to get to my job and the older kids could not be on their school property until 8:15. I also had an infant for whom I wanted in-home care. So, this provider would care for my infant and drive the older kids to and from school. I also said if she had time to do some light housework, that would be great, but only if baby took a good nap and it was definitely not a priority. She came with great references from out of town and seemed to have a great deal of experience. The kids liked her okay. I found it odd and a bit annoying that she would start cleaning the table, doing dishes, sweeping the kitchen, etc. as I was trying to pack my lunch and get out the door. I also found a few other things odd, but nothing in and of itself to get excited about. I tried to be a good, considerate employer and didn't want to make a big deal of something that wasn't. A friend told me she saw the woman at Wal-mart more than once passing my baby off as her own. I questioned my friend (my BEST friend) as to how she could know this for sure. My friend said she hadn't actually heard the words, but she really thought something was fishy. It turned out not only was the woman claiming my baby was hers, but she was making plans to leave her fiance, go back to the east coast to be with another man and really thought she was going to take my baby and raise it as theirs. As if we would every have stopped searching for our boy. As if people wouldn't think it odd. As if she wouldn't get caught. Luckily, she abruptly quit after I told her to please let us know if she was going to be running errands with the baby during the day and to please do her cleaning jobs after hours. An after-the-fact criminal background check showed a child abuse case in a distant state just two years prior, and a current case of domestic violence and fraud against her then-fiance. We absolutely dodged a bullet by the grace of God and by the courage of her fiance, whose disability checks she was defrauding him out of, for coming forward. I'm not sure what my deal is with hijacking the discussion and I apologize for any inconvenience it causes. It looks like people are mostly ignoring any non sequitors anyway.
I do agree, Leah, that you are a professional and your service is valuable: to provide a safe, loving, learning, fun environment for the children in your care. I'm happy you're open to diversity, possibly caring for Adam's daughter if that all works out.
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| 05/17/2010 01:48 PM |
| By WorkingMom1, re: Daycare 101 |
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I also have to state that when I was choosing daycare for my children, I specifically looked for an individual that was NOT state certified. A private, home-based daycare was what I specifically looked for. I don't need my provider trying to jump through hoops with the State while trying to care for and play with the children. I also didn't want my children associated with the wrong crowd of kids that you find at places that accept daycare assistance children. Biased...perhaps. I can honestly say that cost was my VERY LAST question, after I had decided in my head that she was hired!!! So na-na-na-na-boo-boo!
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| 05/17/2010 01:38 PM |
| By hawkeyemom, re: Daycare 101 |
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Once again you are posting another blog putting someone down because they don't do exactly what you think they should do. I am a mother of two wonderful boys who mean the world to me. They go to a daycare provider who is not registered with the state, but I am willing to bet my annual salary that they are receiving the utmost care by my WONDERFUL daycare provider. Having a piece of paper from the state does not guarantee that you will be the perfect fit for me. Perhaps you are assuming that people are not choosing you because of your cost when in fact they are not choosing you because they don't think you are the right fit for their children. I'm not saying that you don't do your job well - I'm just saying that there are others out there that may do just as well (or even better) than you. Also, why put down parents for choosing a daycare provider because of cost? If I had two daycare providers to choose from that had equal skills in raising my children, chances are likely that I would choose the provider that costs less. Why? By spending less on daycare I can spend more on the other costs that are associated with having children. We all live on a budget Leah - hence the reason Wal-Mart is packed on a daily basis.
Instead of assuming that parents aren't thinking of their children when they choose a cheaper daycare provider, take some time to think about why they may need that cheaper provider. Not everyone can afford the expensive providers, but that does not mean that they don't love or value their children as much as those who do pay the extra money for daycare.
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| 05/17/2010 12:55 PM |
| By WorkingMom1, re: Daycare 101 |
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You compare yourself to insurance and a house payment. In your eyes, that may be a fair comparison. I view you as a small business owner. And as a small business owner, there are advantages and disadvantages. One disadvantage is that you don't have paid vacation. (Or maybe you do--I don't know.) I sincerely hope the advantages outweigh the disadvantages for you. I made the decision to return to work and I have a WONDERFUL daycare provider (who is compensated well for her efforts!!) In her own words, she doesn't do it for the money!! There are months when she spends more than she makes on special projects or outings! (Luckily, she and her husband can afford this). To each their own. But you are hardly in a position to evaluate the value of MY children on MY life. They are the most important part of my life and it's offensive that you think you can pass judgement on that based on differing opinions. If you want the benefits of a regular, main-stream job...get a regular, main-stream job and quit your complaining about a life YOU chose!! You don't see me complaining because my daycare lady gets to bask in the sun and play outside while I'm in my office during the day. I guess I could complain because daycare providers get to play outside and get to wear sweatpants!!
Get on with it.
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| 05/17/2010 12:42 PM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Daycare 101 |
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I think there is a balance between the best for the children and the best interest of the family as a whole. I'm relieved to be speaking from the perspective of a parent whose days of having children in daycare is behind her. Compare it to college. Yes, in college our "children" are young adults and responsible for their own safety, their own learning and their own decisions. The parallel is that many of the "best" options are not necessarily affordable, and in some cases, just because parents "can" send their children to an expensive school, doesn't mean they should or will. My cousin lives in the Washington, DC area and makes a quite fine living in engineering. His parents paid for whatever college he and his brothers could manage to stay in for more than a year before being dismissed for poor grades/ majoring in beer and pot. They were certainly spoken to about their excessive partying, but it took three different colleges before the rug was pulled out and my cousin joined the Navy. Twenty-five years later, my cousin is raising his children. I was shocked to learn he had a budget in paying for their college -- a total over which he would not pay. If his daughter and son want to attend a more expensive college, they will have to find the money themselves, regardless of what the finance office claims is his "expected contribution." Perhaps his own experience educated this decision, but I still find it rather amusingly hypocritical. On the other hand, it may be a wise decision in the face of exponentially climbing tuition rates. Sorry to hijack the thread, but I can see a parallel between paying for the highest quality daycare and paying for the highest quality college. Not everyone has the circumstances to go to Grinnell or Hamline or St. Olaf or another immensely expensive college in this region. My cousin's daughter is attending the bargain basement James Madison University in Virginia instead of nearby Georgetown, Duke or UVA because she chooses to stay within her budget and not accumulate college debt. And not everyone has the circumstances to pay top dollar for daycare, nor can they justify half or more of one parent's paycheck going to daycare expense.
I'm not saying the provider needs to change a thing. I'm just saying everyone sets their own priorities, often based on a larger picture than "my child deserves the best."
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| 05/17/2010 12:07 PM |
| By Bansky, re: Daycare 101 |
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Why do you keep asking everyone how important their children are?? As if the only way to prove your childrens daycare is "more important than your house or car" is to take your kids to a place that has the structure that obviously you do. Where I live there are all kinds of day care places...some really good, others not that good. But believe me, that's not solely based on whether or not they charge you over the holidays or for time you don't use. You're obviously a business owner, so get over it. People have a choice to make and day care is very important as you put it. But its also very freaking expensive. Some people around here have to pay $800 or more a month PER CHILD! and on top of that, they get the shaft you are speaking of where they are charged even when the kids aren't there. Majority of people out there are probably having enough trouble paying child care the way it is...you don't need to suggest that because we make a choice that suits us that we don't care about our children. You may respond and tell me that's not what you're saying...but if so you should choose your words more carefully. hahaha, hell, you told me that you would have deemed me and you incompatable and turned the business away. BASED ON WHAT??? a comment I made informally on a freakin internet blog??? what about the children....aren't they what is important??
Just stop thinking that if we consider all of our options for day care that we don't love our children enough...cause that's just being close minded and judgemental.
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| 05/17/2010 11:49 AM |
| By Leah Cauthron, re: Daycare 101 |
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WorkingMom1 - do you deduct your vacation days that you are not using your house from your mortgage? Do you deduct days that your car is not being used from your insurance or from your car payment? What about your health insurance? Do you pay that premium every year even if you don't use it? Daycare is the same thing. Maybe I should call it your daycare premium. How important are your children?
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| 05/17/2010 10:42 AM |
| By WorkingMom1, re: Daycare 101 |
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My dad owned his own business for YEARS!! That was his one gripe, not having paid vacation. Perhaps we should've thought to bill our customers for services they had not received so my dad could have a paid vacation. Brilliant Idea!
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| 05/17/2010 07:39 AM |
| By Bansky, re: Daycare 101 |
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haha, you would deem us incompatible huh....that's great. You bloggers are great entertainment.
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| 05/14/2010 06:40 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Daycare 101 |
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Drop me a line Leah AdamHarris@q.com
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| 05/14/2010 06:36 PM |
| By AimeeClark, re: Daycare 101 |
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Did you see the results of this study that were released today? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con... I overall agree with what you are saying. But at the same time, I only work part time. I would never be able to afford paying for a full-time spot and only using some of it. Affording double pay for daycare during a vacation week (paying regular provider AND backup) might be a stretch, too. Remember, not everybody gets paid vacation! A lot of people are much worse off than we are and couldn't possibly afford what you propose. It's not necessarily because they don't care about their children or are greedy for material possessions. If it's a choice between paying the rent and paying for a daycare spot that they aren't using, what do you expect people to do?
I am SO lucky to have a registered daycare provider that is willing to work with my goofy schedule. I hope that she continues to do daycare until my child is old enough to stay home by herself!
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| 05/14/2010 06:28 PM |
| By Leah Cauthron, re: Daycare 101 |
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Pat, I have a zero turnover rate. My babies are school age now so I need to fill their spots. I would deem you & I incompatible therefore your children would have to settle for far less qualified daycare. I merely put into writing what many providers are thinking.
Adam - I do have openings for summer and fall.
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| 05/14/2010 02:35 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Daycare 101 |
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Sounds wierd from a guy that gives ya heck from time to time, but do you have any openings?
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| 05/14/2010 12:26 PM |
| By Bansky, re: Daycare 101 |
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So you've lost some business to the competition because they are cheaper then you are, but in your opinion you offer a better service and are more qualified?
I pay close to a thousand dollars a month for daycare....that sucks! so I guess my kids are just as important to me as my mortgage...since its just about as much $$ every month.
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| 05/05/2010 10:36 PM |
| By proud2bateacher, re: Provider Appreciation Day - Friday, May 7 |
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It's also teacher appreciation week. Thank all those teachers who work several hours a day outside of their paid time (and during the summer when they are not getting paid) to make the educational experience the best they can for their students. I know that some people think that teachers don't work hard, but I have had several jobs in my life and this is by far the hardest I have ever worked. But wouldn't trade any thing about my job as it is the most rewarding ever. How amazing to touch the lives of so many wonderful children. I love the quote "If you can read this, thank a teacher." And thank you to whoever is reading this that really do appreciate us.
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| 05/04/2010 11:44 AM |
| By notinia, re: Courage |
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I always liked participating in track. I know some parents don't because some track meets can last a LONG time (ahem, Spirit Lake...) and some of them at the beginning of the season can chill you to the bone, but I enjoy watching them too.
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| 04/23/2010 09:31 AM |
| By Gabe Licht, re: Parent Information Network |
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Oh, right, Adam. I am pleased with how both my brother and sister turned out. Both are married (heck, they got married the same year I graduated high school). My brother has three beautiful daughters, the oldest of which turns 2 this weekend and has really become a great dad. He works hard for what he and his family have. I mean, we all turned out just fine. That wasn't my point as much as comparing how my siblings were treated by my parents in their teen years and how I was treated. The key is, no matter how much of a straight-shooter you think your kids are, you need to hold them accountable. (I think the Every 15 Minutes campaign drives that home a bit.) Don't let them get away with coming home at 2 a.m. or later without asking them why they were out so late and where they have been. Accountability is key. It's not a word that politicians like and some parents don't seem to like it either, but everyone - especially teenagers - need more of it from the people who love them and need to hold them responsible.
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| 04/23/2010 07:50 AM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Parent Information Network |
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Good to see you hitting the blogs Gabe.
You didn't mention how your brother turned out, and it seems as though you are doing OK for yourself.
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| 04/23/2010 02:44 AM |
| By Gabe Licht, re: Parent Information Network |
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I just can't stay out of this. My parents did not drink or smoke and expected the same from us kids. They also tried to watch their mouths to set an example for us in that regard as well. My dad constantly fought with my sister about stuff (curfew, skirt length, what boys she hung out with, what movies she went to, etc.) I remember not being able to sleep at night because I heard these fights. She rebeled a bit and my parents may not approve of everything she does as an adult, but they believe they raised her the best they could and left it in God's hands. Then there was my brother. My dad was really laxed with him while my mom wasn't (just the opposite of how things were with my sister except that my mom would always ask my dad's opinion when it came to my sister but it didn't work the other way around.) This caused problems because my parents were not on the same page with discipline and whatnot and they did not communicate well. So, that's the first part. But the other part of this story was that my parents did not hold me accountable because I was active in church and other activities and they thought I had learned from my siblings mistakes. I actually wanted them to hold me accountable like Leah and Amy (lakewriter) are talking about. My sister didn't understand that. But, I wanted my parents to respect me and I wanted to make the right choices for the right reasons. Once again, I am being wordy with my post, but I do agree with what Leah, Notinia and Amy are trying to do. And I am not that far removed from my teenaged years.
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| 04/22/2010 04:37 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Parent Information Network |
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You're absolutely correct, my daughter is 4. My feelings and intuition on this blog come from my personal experiences growing up, mashed with how I feel as a parent. I was one who you could say was sheltered. My mother was very particular about my friends. I went to a private school, etc. What you might refer to as the RIGHT things were done. I went crazy, put my parents through hell, dropped off the map for months at a time. I went to the lowest lows you can offer, and nearly didn't come back. Now, I don't blame parenting for MY actions when I was out of the house... but when I read this blog it all came rushing to mind. Appologies for being crass and not giving my full 2 cents and experiences related, sore subject. :)
Your intent is good in my eye, but it's intervening in your kids' lives to a point that rebellion becomes the likely option.
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| 04/22/2010 11:51 AM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Parent Information Network |
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WorkingMom1, from Adam's posts, I believe he is a parent, but his children are still little, so he has some misconceptions of the teenage years which the next ten years will probably alter quite a bit.
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| 04/22/2010 09:55 AM |
| By WorkingMom1, re: Parent Information Network |
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ADAM, how many kids do you have in high school? My instinct tells me that you are not a parent. I think it very unfair of you to have an opinion on the matter without first being a parent. There are things out there that I said I would never do as a parent, but until you're a parent you have no right to pass judgement. These mothers are just trying to form an alliance of people with the same interest. Their interest being their high school aged children. Right or wrong, we all need allies...especially when dealing with teenagers. Good Luck, Ladies!
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| 04/22/2010 07:55 AM |
| By notinia, re: Parent Information Network |
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Adam, I hardly think getting to know your kids' friends and their parents, teachers, administrators with a beginning of the year parent orientation is sheltering. I do agree with you about the Middle School thing, although I feel that High School is often a different group of kids, so this idea may make sense at both age groups.
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| 04/21/2010 04:35 PM |
| By Leah Cauthron, re: Parent Information Network |
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This blog has nothing to do with targeting kids. It is about building a network of parents that we will be coming into contact with for the next four years and beyond. It's about building a united front against outside influences and maybe, just maybe finding some common ground to help our kids have a safe and fun HS experience.
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| 04/21/2010 01:26 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Parent Information Network |
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Nope, grew up out west.
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| 04/21/2010 01:05 PM |
| By Bansky, re: Parent Information Network |
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is this the same adam harris I knew as a kid that used to skate board around spencer?
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| 04/21/2010 12:12 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Parent Information Network |
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Absolutely be wary... but those kids might be the ones you should invite home. It's funny, my friends growing up that my parents approved of, were the ones that put on a good appearance... and then went crazy when the parents weren't around. I just think you all are trying to shelter just a hair much. And this might be a newshock, but if you wanted to intervene like this, middle school would have been the time to get into it. Nowadays kids are exposed to sex drugs and rock and roll, often before reaching highschool. I'm not saying your intentions are off, I have a daughter that I worry about 10 years from now... and can see where all these thoughts and ideas would seem logical. Think of it like a garden plant going from inside to outside... if you don't harden it off you're going to kill / shock it.
These are the hardening off years for your kids, it's time to let them get a little air, some sun, and a helping hand when they need it.
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| 04/21/2010 11:41 AM |
| By notinia, re: Parent Information Network |
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Wow, Adam, you sure like to read into what's not even there. I wasn't just referring to kids (although I did mention meeting as many of your kids' friends as possible). Other parents, teachers, administrators, school policies (notice I said "what" and not just "who") can pose problems as well as other students. Of course you should not "blacklist" people or groups because of what you may learn at this event, and I don't think potential "problem" students are what's going to be discussed there, either. That's obvious. However, are you really saying that observing problem behaviors in others shouldn't cause you to be wary of your kids being around them?
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| 04/21/2010 11:36 AM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Parent Information Network |
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"This way you know ahead of time who or what may present a problem" Because giving a kid a problem status by meeting their parents or talking with staff sounds great! You ever think of the flipside? You're damning these problem kids without even realizing it. Perhaps the problem kid would pick up some right traits, if they hadn't been blacklisted by a group of parents.
I don't try to disagree all the time, but this one is hogwash.
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| 04/21/2010 07:03 AM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Parent Information Network |
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No, I'm not going to scold the boy's parents. I'm acquainted with them and I think they're doing their best. His issues may very well not be their or anyone's fault, though I hope he does learn some natural consequences of his behavior sometime soon. Johnny -- we don't even have TV at our house. My kids haven't seen MTV, VH1 or a reality show at home since 2007. It's possible, yes, that they've [gasp] caught American Idol or The Real World at a friend's house, but it's not part of their daily lives and they don't express much interest in it. My 17 year old son watches episodes of Justice League and Ben 10 Alien Force with his 7 year old brother on Cartoon Network's website. Time was, I wouldn't have cared that much if my daughter went off to college and as an adult responsible for herself drank some alcohol or even smoked some pot -- all in an experimental, not addictive, fashion. However, there's so much addiction running through my family (that stopped with me because my parents were also very protective and clear about boundaries) that I don't think we Petersons have the luxury of experimenting a little. My daughter was 4 when my dad, her beloved grandpa Chuck, passed away from complications of alcoholism. I used age appropriate language, but was clear and honest about explaining to the kids (my son was 7) about how their grandpa died from too much alcohol over the years. Neither of them has ever expressed much interest in drinking, though I have told them they could taste whatever wine or beer we might have at home at various times.
I don't have all the answers, but I think parents supporting each other, rather than suspecting each other based on what we don't know, would help build community in general.
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| 04/21/2010 04:11 AM |
| By notinia, re: Parent Information Network |
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Johnny (and Adam), I don't think anyone is trying to scold any parents, I think lake's point (as well as the point of this blog) was to meet as many of the other parents, teachers, administrators and other students as possible. This way you know ahead of time who or what may present a problem, and the best you can do may just be to keep an eye out, or warn your child if they seem receptive. It's hardly "keeping kids in a bubble"- I've seen THOSE parents in action and it is one thing I try NOT to do with my daughter. Knowing your kids' teachers, other parents and friends? Hardly being overprotective.
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| 04/21/2010 01:25 AM |
| By JohnnyMetro, re: Parent Information Network |
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lakewriter: What are you going to do? Scold this boy's parents? Or single him out to all the other parents? The best you can do is sit down with your daughter and explain the lesson learned that maybe she has or hasn't grasped yet. If she's already over him, good for her. The unattractive traits, attitudes, behaviors, etc. of this boy that your daughter has witnessed will only help her choices in the future with different boys. She now knows a few things that she doesn't want in a boy, and the process will continue until the day you meet the perfect son-in-law. Anyways, my best to you and your daughter. As for the rest of the blog, I can see why you'd want to do this, but I'm not sure if it'll help or not. No one wants to see their children fail in school, drink and do drugs, have sex, ditch curfews, skip class, etc. But I think Adam is right. If you try to stop all of this stuff, they're going to go "buck wild" once they graduate and move out. I've seen it a hundred times. I graduated from SHS in the decade of the 2000's, and I can say that my friends and I would've become annoyed if our parents did something like this. If our parents tried to intervene more, we'd find different ways of doing the same rebellious stuff, possibly worse than before! I can see the same thing happening in not just my class but the same kids we all knew from the three grades ahead of us to the three grades below us.
That's just my two cents. Maybe all you parents need to do is turn off the MTV, VH1 and horrendous "reality" TV shows and your kids will do just fine.
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| 04/20/2010 05:21 PM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Parent Information Network |
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Adam, I don't see where either of us talked about keeping our children in a bubble. I will, however, prevent a "learning experience" if I can that will thwart my daughter's dreams for her future and prevent her from meeting her full potential. She's already had brief "relationships" such as they are in middle school with boys -- one of which was okay, and one whom, the way he slides through girls one after the other and creates drama for no reason, I have pegged as having sociopathic tendencies. If I can help other girls to stay away from this one boy, I will.
That's just an example of how there's guidance, and there's intervening when your child has a Mack Truck headed their way.
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| 04/20/2010 03:50 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Parent Information Network |
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You're both setting yourselves up. Keeping the kids in a bubble until they are 18 just makes sure they will go buck wild when they are out of the house on their own. High school is the natural time to start letting go, and start letting kids see the world... and that means seeing the different types of people, and persuasions. It's a time of guidance, but also of letting go.
Yes, they will make some stupid decisions... trying to prevent every stupid decision is stupid in itself, as they are all learning experiences.
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| 04/20/2010 10:07 AM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Parent Information Network |
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Me. I have a daughter who is and will be a classmate of H's. She is a great girl and has done well in school, yet already there have been some signs of her allowing her friends' ideas to erode her own values and of making excuses, "Who cares if I got a C or I didn't turn in all my homework -- I'm still doing fine in school!" When (a) she happens to be blessed with the ability to be one of the top students in school; and (b) her aspirations to get out of here and experience something new and challenging -- at a very good (and expensive) private college mean she will have to put her maximum effort into earning scholarships, etc. Even with a "great kid" It's easy to see them crossing a line -- maybe not into drinking, drugs, vandalism, sex, etc., but into poor motivation, sinking grades, and bad attitudes. I think a gathering could help integrate new parents to the district, open enrolling parents, or those who just have not been as involved in prior years.
How about it -- a freshman orientation for the grownups?
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| 04/19/2010 08:34 PM |
| By iowaskeptic, re: Holy Applause! |
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lakewriter feel free to start the discussion on the other blog.
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| 04/19/2010 04:38 PM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Holy Applause! |
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I think applause during a worship service is quite proper both as an appreciation for the people who bring us beautiful expressions of God's word in the form of song and other performance, and as praise in and of itself. If you don't mind getting back to the topic of the blog. Also, not to have blog envy, but there is a blog on here about autism, and I'd love to have a discussion going over there about whether autism is real or not.
Much Love!
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| 04/19/2010 01:34 PM |
| By buss22, re: Holy Applause! |
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I believe in God and Jesus. I also need to correct what I said in an earlier post. I typed to fast. The bible is a fictional book. there is nothing oin there that can not be proven scientifically. And I'm not a scientologist.
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| 04/19/2010 12:38 AM |
| By notinia, re: Holy Applause! |
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skeptic, please don't be patronizing. Were you, or were you not attempting to get a rise out of others by referring to bigfoot? As I said before, there are ways to discuss religion without getting snarky, which you admitted you did. That's all I'm saying- you choose to be offended by others expressing their opinions and yet you retaliate. That, I find hypocritical. Why make the problem worse? Also, I don't even know how this "debate" started, as I told you multiple times that I appreciated how you handled yourself at first. Anyway, unless you want to discuss this in a productive- and "un-snarky" manner, I'm finished with this conversation. I'm fine to agree to disagree as long as the conversation is going somewhere.
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| 04/18/2010 11:06 AM |
| By iowaskeptic, re: Holy Applause! |
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So, notinia you graciously allow me to have the opinion that god is fictitious; you graciously allow me to express the opinion that god is fictitious; but you do not allow me to place him into a category with other fictitious beings. Just making sure I don't "offend" anyone else in the future.
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| 04/18/2010 04:48 AM |
| By notinia, re: Holy Applause! |
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By the way, this whole thread is getting ridiculous...
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| 04/18/2010 04:47 AM |
| By notinia, re: Holy Applause! |
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Not at all, skeptic. Perhaps the other comentors meant to offend, but why respond with your own offensive comments and then act surprised when non-atheists are offended by them? The way you expressed your opinion the second time (Mon April 12) was awesome- which I expressed to you, and I wish more would handle it that way, just as I wish more Christians would live and let live. However, its only natural that someone referring to my God as a myth like bigfoot would provoke a reaction in me more than someone referring to a Bible verse, which is why I appreciated when you stated the facts as you see them with no intent to offend.
I'm just as bothered when Christians use Bible verses with the intent to bait nonbelievers into argument. However, you are the one who admitted that you were being snarky, and you were the one who was complaining about others finding him/her offensive. I guess I'm just trying to say that your opinion does not bother me, that you HAVE an opinion does not bother me, the fact that you are expressing it does not bother me, but the WAY you express it and then act like you are the only one being argued with does. There are ways to discuss religion without being snarky, and that goes for everyone.
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| 04/17/2010 01:21 PM |
| By iowaskeptic, re: Holy Applause! |
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notinia, why do you automatically assume that my comments are "meant to offend" but the other comments are not? I am just stating my opinion that god is a fictional character and that the evidence to support his existence is no better than the evidence to support other mythical beings. Does it offend you that I have that opinion or that I express it?
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| 04/17/2010 01:07 PM |
| By notinia, re: Holy Applause! |
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skeptic, what I'm trying to say is that responding to things that offend you with things that are meant to offend defeats your purpose.
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| 04/17/2010 08:59 AM |
| By iowaskeptic, re: Holy Applause! |
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jeff, for some of us freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion are the same thing. I did find it ironic that you claim respect for freedom of religion just before you try to force christianity down the throats of atheists. Why is it that christians can yell at me (that is what all caps means) that god does exist, but if I mention that he is a fictional character I am being disrespectful of others' beliefs (which apparently bothers some people)? My job as an Atheist is to tell the "WORLD" about the nonexistence of Jesus and that GOD is make believe.
If the last sentence bothers anyone, all I did was reverse the thoughts of Jeff's line with the appropriate substitutions (now maybe you can understand why his statements offend me).
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| 04/17/2010 07:34 AM |
| By jeffeshelman, re: Holy Applause! |
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I respect your freedom OF Religion, your choice is to not participate. But the key to the above statement is "OF" not "from" Religion. Our job as CHRISTians is to tell the "WORLD" about Jesus and how much GOD loves them, we have done that pretty well at Dayspring. Another good point our Pastor has brought up is, Would the Community know we were gone if that Church did not exist? I think with the work done on the Spencer Dream Center and the CHRISTmas and Easter productions that the Community WOULD miss this Church. To all non-believers: GOD LOVES YOU no matter what, and his son, JESUS CHRIST is coming back SOON. EVERY knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD.
Will it be too late for you? That's between you and GOD, not any Church, not any Pastor, not anyone on this blog.
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| 04/17/2010 01:26 AM |
| By StevieJoy, re: Holy Applause! |
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Zlastone: I'm not seeing disrespect here as much as I am misunderstanding. Steve & Jeff: good job! Kudos :) Bus22: tithing is to the church you attend regularly... Joining a church is great for commitment and it is asked of us... But tithing is from the heart 10% to where you attend regularly...giving is anything above. Why are we talking about tithing? How did that conersation get started?
...Ok well anyway, tomorrow is "Love Spencer" let's go do that! :)
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| 04/17/2010 01:26 AM |
| By JohnnyMetro, re: Holy Applause! |
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Sorry, jeffeshelman/monteman/steviejoy/etc. I was 6 or 7 when I first heard the Beatles. They made me realize that the writers of the Bible were just extremely talented poets. So, if you could just "Please Please Me" and accept that if I want to listen to "The Word", I'll just listen to Rubber Soul. "I'm Only Sleeping" whenever I hear people like you preach. You think you're "Fixing A Hole" in my life, but, c'mon people, "Let It Be". I'll give my family, close friends and all my favorite hobbies "All My Loving" "Because" they're the most important things "In My Life".
Besides, if I want to listen to anyone preach about the Lord, I'll just listen to George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord", but for now, I'll stick with his first song with the Beatles, "Don't Bother Me".
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| 04/16/2010 07:05 PM |
| By jeffeshelman, re: Holy Applause! |
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Heb 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV) "I Am The Way, The Truth, And The Life, Nobody Comes To The Father Except Through Me" (John.14:6)
Doesn't say ANYTHING about belonging to ANY Church.
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| 04/15/2010 11:53 AM |
| By buss22, re: Holy Applause! |
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Tithing means that you give ten percent of what you make to the church that you go to. Its the same with all churches here in spencer. Also the bible is classified a a non fiction book meaning that it can not be proven.
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| 04/14/2010 09:07 PM |
| By SteveJennings, re: Holy Applause! |
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This may seem random - but it clarifies an earlier entry. My wife's grandmother attended church with us 2 times in a 3 year or so period. Both times she heard a sermon about tithing. That's why she thought all we do is ask for money. So my friend who read that and told me that's one of the reasons he doesn't go to church(because all they want is your money) got a better explanation from me. Just hoping no one else was misunderstanding me either. Tithing is between me and God. And I only reap what I sew.
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| 04/14/2010 08:48 PM |
| By zlastone, re: Holy Applause! |
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i find that all it takes to appreciate anything is a little understanding. perhaps both sides of God needs this. those of us believers need to remember the leap of faith and those who are not believers need to respect the leap of faith.
i looked at these comments expecting to see positive discussion. this is a shameful look at how respectable people treat each other.
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| 04/14/2010 05:24 PM |
| By SteveJennings, re: Holy Applause! |
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So much of what has been said here are responses to offenses taken. I have a few friends and even family members that are not believers. But, they have been given every bit of information they need to make a decision - in either direction. I will probably be corrected for saying this wrong but here goes... God commanded us to "tell the world" - that's why we send missionaries to foriegn countries and oddly enough foriegn countries send their missionaries here. Once someone has been told that Christ died for their sins and all they have to do is invite Him into their hearts - it's a done deal. To argue about existence of a power greater than ourselves(GOD for alot of us)is pointless. We must be able to admit we are broken people and bow before Him before we can be restored. Those of us that do believe will keep praying for those of you who don't. Because we love you and so does God!
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| 04/14/2010 02:25 AM |
| By notinia, re: Holy Applause! |
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Adam, I don't think an atheist should be offended at "a family that prays together, stays together" unless it was directed at atheists and implying that their families would NOT stay together. When directed at a Christian audience, it implies that prayer amongst families that believe strengthens those families. The bigfoot crack was directed at Christians, and was meant to mock their belief in God. It's all in the audience- the same comment made amongst a group of atheists would have been received well- and the intent.
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| 04/13/2010 07:41 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Holy Applause! |
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It's my belief that there may have been a guy named Jesus, who said some magical things... and got a following. More or less he was the first celebrity. What I don't believe is that is if there is a god, he or she or it only lets you into the pearly white gates if you are a follower of the correct religion. I would hope that's based on the quality of the person.
I'm not anti religion, some religions may very well be true... I'm just not about picking one. So I guess I wouldn't be a true atheist.
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| 04/13/2010 06:57 PM |
| By iowaskeptic, re: Holy Applause! |
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No, iowaskeptic believes that there probably was no historical figure named Jesus as described in the bible. However, if such a man did live at that time, then yes he was merely mortal and possibly could be considered a rabbi.
Jeff, if some guy named Jesus died 2000 years ago, that has nothing to do with believing in god. Atheists can believe that there was someone named Jesus that died at some point in the past without believing that he was the son of god, or that there is even a god (I personally do not believe that such a person existed in history)
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| 04/13/2010 06:08 PM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Holy Applause! |
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Maybe iowaskeptic believes, as the Jews do, that Jesus was a man, an itinerant rabbi, a good teacher, but not our Messiah?
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| 04/13/2010 05:12 PM |
| By jeffeshelman, re: Holy Applause! |
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"I'm an atheist, but you don't see my "Jesus died 2000 years ago, get over it" bumper sticker."
If Jesus existed 2000 years ago, as your Bumper Sticker implies, then How can you deny there is a GOD?
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| 04/13/2010 04:17 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Holy Applause! |
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An atheist could be just as offended by the "A family that prays together, stays together" bumper sticker, as you were by the bigfoot crack. I'm an atheist, but you don't see my "Jesus died 2000 years ago, get over it" bumper sticker.
There's always 2 sides to the offensive coin.
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| 04/13/2010 03:44 PM |
| By notinia, re: Holy Applause! |
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I just wish everyone would think of others (and not just their intended target), and their feelings/beliefs/etc, before they make comments. This goes for comments made out in the real world in addition to online, and applies to subjects other than religion.
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| 04/13/2010 07:02 AM |
| By iowaskeptic, re: Holy Applause! |
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notinia, amen to that. Theists tend to talk to me as if their god is real, so I see no reason why I cannot talk to them as if it is not. They also tend to invite me (as SJ did) to come to THEIR church and then I will "see the light". I have seen the light, it just happens to be a different shade of light than they see.
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| 04/13/2010 04:15 AM |
| By notinia, re: Holy Applause! |
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skeptic, I guess it was the snarkiness, as you put it, that bothered me. I get that you have no feelings towards God, but others that do may be a little bothered by a comparison of their spiritual force to bigfoot, as I was. God is a big part of my life, so of course its a little insulting to see comparisons like that. No hard feelings, and I really appreciated the way you handled your second comment, as I said. I wish more atheists and agnostics would do things this way, as I'm sure you wish some Christians would handle you better.
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| 04/12/2010 01:59 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Holy Applause! |
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Up until a couple days ago I didn't even know I had a facebook... my girlfriend made me one knowing my hatred for social networking sites. Also there is another person with my name in the area, so hopefully no bricks end up in his window. Really there's no reason to be anonymous in spencer, unless you are sputtering such crap that even you can't live with it. While people may disagree, I would hope that the realization that not all people think the same stops things from escalating to any sort of physical confrontation. The debates we have here are healthy most of the time, it keeps everyone on their toes.... and it shows the diversity between people.
I agree, time for a new blog. I think it would be great if the reporter had a forum area... so things could get off track and still be organized... somewhat.
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| 04/12/2010 01:57 PM |
| By iowaskeptic, re: Holy Applause! |
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Randy, allow me to respond on this website to your comments and I will gladly apply my real name to them. Why do you not allow open and ongoing dialog on your editorials? If you write an editorial on Tuesday and I respond it might appear in the paper by Saturday (as you yourself said). Anyone who then wants to respond to my letter will see theirs in print the FOLLOWING Saturday. Honestly, by then nobody cares anymore. With our current technology do we really have to rely on the old system of communication? Open your editorials to online comments and require those commenting to use their legal names (you could verify identities through your registration process). If you want open debate that is not anonymous, then you must make your comments equally open.
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| 04/12/2010 01:50 PM |
| By AmyPeterson, re: Holy Applause! |
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JohnnyMetro said: "If iowaskeptic revealed his or her true identity, he or she might have a brick thrown through their window with a note saying, "GOD LOVES YOU!" Unfortunately, I would not find such an incident surprising, nor would I find it surprising if LE didn't find it necessary to spend a lot of time rooting out the culprits. I was raised a strong Christian, I spent my late teens through mid-thirties as a nominal Christian with a lot of very hard questions due to a series of tough life events, and it took an, well, act of God, literally a miracle, to make me as passionate about my faith as I am today. While some people, the clapping type or not, might say it's our Christian duty to help save others and lead them to Christ, I believe it is an act of greater love to respect them while they are on their journey.
I don't mean to single out iowaskeptic as he or she is one of many, but I believe people have reasons for being on the road they're on and those who are not believers now most likely will come and clap in our churches as believers only through the road of their own experience.
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| 04/12/2010 01:44 PM |
| By JohnnyMetro, re: Holy Applause! |
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Sorry, Adam. I made the Facebook comment for comedic purposes only. I'm also sorry that I don't own a phonebook...it would just be a waste of paper and space in my house. So, I had to resort to Facebook. Maybe you should update your information so I don't make a dork out of myself.
Anyways, I think it's about time for Leah to write a new blog so we can start fresh on that one!
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| 04/12/2010 01:38 PM |
| By randy cauthron, re: Holy Applause! |
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Just a heads up Iowa Skeptic. Anyone that wishes to comment on my column is welcome to do so - in the Letter to the Editor section. I try to run them as soon as we get them, often the Saturday paper works best. So feel free - PLEASE - to take your best shot....all you have to do is put your name, your REAL name on it.
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| 04/12/2010 12:16 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Holy Applause! |
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Johnny, How about you go low tech and try a phonebook? I live on 6th Ave East, right here in good ol Spencer. Raised in California, moved out here 8 years ago or so.
No need to snoop, I'm pretty open.
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| 04/12/2010 12:14 PM |
| By ADAMHARRIS, re: Holy Applause! |
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I understand why the opinion section is locked from commenting... it would get out of hand VERY quickly.
Oh how I wish I could have commented below Randy's prostate exam writeup.
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| 04/12/2010 12:03 PM |
| By JohnnyMetro, re: Holy Applause! |
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Adam, that's easy for you to say since you live in Iowa City. (Yes, I creeped your Facebook profile...don't you love technology?) However, for someone like me that lives in Spencer and has recently bought their first house, I'm not about to pay for broken windows (again, extreme case), or simply deal with snobby people pointing their noses in the air when they see me in public. Heck, even those that put on fake, plastic smiles and then criticize me behind my back once I'm out of sight. That's Spencer for ya.
Thanks for the response, Leah. I'm glad you're courageous about your beliefs. Keep it up. I guess it's just not for me.
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