One more time. Crosshair vs Map Symbol

A number of people claim the Palin map used a surveyor symbol and NOT a crosshair. But the Democrats have been using bullseyes to mark Republicans on maps since 2004! The Palin map was not even made in house but by an outside graphics house. The truth is that both symbols may just be common reference point symbols in mapping software.

Survey SymbolsBut here are some survey symbol’s that very definitely look like crosshairs. In fact, you could find many examples like #79 on any engineering drawing. This symbol is used for locating a bolt hole, most commonly, but also to locate many other parts on an assembly.

Far too many people are seeing what they want to see. Only people who have never looked through a telescopic sight would confuse the Palin symbols as crosshairs. However no one can be confused by the bullseyes used by the Democrats.

The major difference is the Republicans didn’t make an issue of the bullseyes but the Democrats did make an issue of Palins’s symbols. That alone speaks volumes since they make symbols an issue instead of discussing real issues. Another example of symbols over substance.

8 Responses to “One more time. Crosshair vs Map Symbol”

  • Bob:

    “Far too many people are seeing what they want to see….”

    I will agree that the image most likely had nothing to do with this nut job. I will also state on principal that people, not words, video games, music or TV shows cause violence.

    However, to suggest that the symbols used on Palin’s map were anything but cross hair’s is simply a big steaming pile of….

    From Palin’s Facebook page the day after she initially posted the map:

    “In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.

    Focus on the goal and fight for it. If the gate is closed, go over the fence. If the fence is too high, pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, parachute in. If the other side tries to push back, your attitude should be “go for it.” Get in their faces and argue with them. (Sound familiar?!) Every possession is a battle; you’ll only win the war if you’ve picked your battles wisely. No matter how tough it gets, never retreat, instead RELOAD!”

    Yes, she was posting about March Madness, but in the middle of the campaign, everything was about the election. Furthermore, the symbols were likened to cross hairs by the media back then. If they were simply surveyor sybols (for which Palin’s media relations “expert” – using that term very loosely – didn’t even know the appropriate name), why was that not mentioned then. Palin certainly did a lot of defending of that map last year. Yet not one mention of survey symbols…. Odd. Oh wait, it’s not odd because the survey symbol thing was thought of after the attack.

    But it’s alright. Because they didn’t actually make it in-house. It was made by a politcal graphic artist. Oh wait, that’s not right either. According to the not-so-smart Ms. Mansour, it was made for them by this guy. To me that means work for hire. That means by request and with permission of. Then putting it on Palin’s website mean’s she had to approve that.

    Still, other people did it so it’s okay. Apparently they don’t know the saying about everyone else jumping off a bridge in the Palin household.

    So to recap, last year Palin made lots of very specific references the day after she posted the map (though, in truth did not refer to the map in those sentences). Palin had no problem with other people calling them cross hairs. Not until the day after the shooting nobody calls them survey marks (because we all know the political artists prefer putting not-so-well-known imagery in their art-for-hire, particularly when it is sure to be confused with some other object). And even though we requested and approved the image, we had nothing to do with it because some hired guy made it. Moreover, while our image was about surveying, Democrats used targets in previous maps (wow, that sounds like the mafia on the stand, “I did not do this thing and was not even there, but if someone were to have evidence that I was there it was justified).

    Look, you want to say that the map had nothing to do with the shooting? You want to question crazy guy’s link to conservatism, the Tea Party, or the map? That is all fine and good debate. This, now you’re just making $#!^ up.

    • Loren:

      You would have much more credibility if you were equally indignant about the Democrat’s use of the bullseye.

      So far this guy appears to be mentally deranged. To blame Palin’s map symbols is way beyond any logic or supported facts. He was a time bomb. A better question might be why was he obsessed with Gabrielle Giffords. I will wager it will be tenuous at best – like Sirhan Sirhan – and will make no sense to any rational person.

  • Bob:

    I’m not indignant about the use of the cross hairs. If you read my post, you would see that I don’t really think the cross hairs had anything to do with the shooting. It is the lying about what they are after the fact that bugs me.

    • Loren:

      Well we don’t know do we. Perhaps the graphic artist used the BM symbol (Benchmark) and realized that it looked like a telescopic sight image. So he just colored them in so they wouldn’t be confused with a telescopic sight image. Contrast that with the image used by dzellaha’s CROSSHAIRS: Palin above which was all over the internet.

      Here is what a benchmark looks like. Odds are you are within walking distance of one, depending how far you are willing to walk. There are about one million of them in the US. They are now indicated on USGS maps as triangles.

  • JP:

    I don’t think it’s necessary for Bob to give equal time to criticizing the Democrats for using a cross-hair symbol because his point wasn’t about the use of the symbol, it was about Palin’s people’s using the surveyor symbol as a defense being in sharp contrast to all of the gun and battle references found in just one of her March Madness speeches. It’s not a political argument to say that the right wing has more gun talk, it’s just a matter of fact. Whether or not that has a negative impact on society is a subject suitable for debate. But you can’t deny the fact that Gifford herself had pointed out how dangerous the cross-hair symbol is and she had already had her life threatened. I feel like the reason there’s sensitivity on this subject is because in the partisan political world, gun violence and violent rhetoric is a found more on the right and while it’s unfair to conflate that with the actions of a mad man, you show me a video montage of left wing types using violent rhetoric and gun metaphors in their presentation.

    • Loren:

      JP – Try this link. The left only needs to insinuate a link to unleash their followers. This gives them deniability – just in case someone takes a shot at Palin. After following that link, would you hire security for your family if YOU were Sarah Palin? Those threats are more direct than anything directed towards Gabrielle Giffords. Besides, most of us wish every Democrat WAS a Gabrielle Giffords.

  • Bob:

    Again, the argument wasn’t about whether use of cross hairs were okay, or that they provoked any sort of action, or that one side used them and the other didn’t. My argument was simply about the inane lying about what the symbols were. And I disagree with JP here as well. My argument was not about who used it more. That’s just a bunch of school yard finger pointing. My argument was strictly about lying about what the symbols are.

    You can be as adamant about them being survey symbols all you want, but the facts do not support it. Heck, yesterday Palin herself said to Hannity on FoxNews that they were indeed cross hairs. So, either she can’t cotrol her staffers, or she thinks one lie can cover another. I don’t really have an opinion on which it is, but neither is good for her. (especially if she decides to run).

    • Loren:

      I’m not adamant about them being survey symbols. I’m just saying that usually, opposite real evidence, the simple explanation is correct.

      You want to believe Palin, her staff, and the graphic artist, conspired to create a symbol, such that people who never looked through a telescopic sight, or other optical instruments, would consider it to be a crosshair symbol. You believe this was their intention. And they then lied about their reason for picking the symbol. For proof you sight the graphic artist’s claim it was a survey symbol, the simple explanation, and that Palin referred to them as crosshairs. I understand belief systems can not be refuted.

      Why is the map symbol so important? It is irrelevant to any real issues. Symbolism over substance.

      And I don’t watch Hannity.